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Created by RichJam 1 month ago, 28 Nov 2020
RichJam
WA, 56 posts
28 Nov 2020 5:35PM
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Hi All,

Just putting it out there, after a nasty incident I'm chasing a go foil mast.
Any one selling or upgrading? Has to be 29.5 or longer.
Thanks in advance.

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
2 Dec 2020 8:02AM
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No luck diving for it Sunday?

kobo
NSW, 492 posts
2 Dec 2020 1:57PM
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RichJam said..
Hi All,

Just putting it out there, after a nasty incident I'm chasing a go foil mast.
Any one selling or upgrading? Has to be 29.5 or longer.
Thanks in advance.


If you don't mind letting us know ,how did you lose it ? So maybe others can avoid same.

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
2 Dec 2020 11:52AM
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kobo said..If you don't mind letting us know ,how did you lose it ? So maybe others can avoid same.



Reef had a bit to do with it and waves. Richjam was ripping on his NL but zigged when he should have zagged. Contact with reef resulted in snapped fuse and mast boxes ripped out. NL wing floated to surface but nothing else. So, to avoid do not foil on a wave into shallow reef

kobo
NSW, 492 posts
2 Dec 2020 4:15PM
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Wow , was that prone or SUP, major damage.

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
2 Dec 2020 7:06PM
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kobo said..
Wow , was that prone or SUP, major damage.


wingding

RichJam
WA, 56 posts
2 Dec 2020 7:39PM
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Playing where I shouldn't have been. Only escaped with the board and the front wing.
Totally my fault.
New gear is on its way.



Beasho
192 posts
2 Dec 2020 11:36PM
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Wing looks great!

Gorgo
VIC, 4538 posts
3 Dec 2020 7:39AM
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It doesn't look like there was much holding the boxes in. It just looks like they were set into to the foam. There's supposed to be a big chunk of high density foam, preferably bonded to the deck as well. Maybe a bit of carbon or glass wrapped around it.

Piros
QLD, 6097 posts
3 Dec 2020 7:08AM
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Totally agree with Gorgo that's a "B" box install , surprised your foil just didn't rip out on it's own prior to this . The damage to the wing seems minimal Compared to everything else .

tightlines
WA, 3349 posts
3 Dec 2020 7:54AM
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Yep it's all in the construction, I hit the reef at full speed once doing some flat water speed runs across the bay at Rottnest going into the sun in the late afternoon light.
My gps track looked like I had fallen off a cliff.

I was expecting major damage but nope, apart from a few scratches on the wing it was all good.
That was a year ago and I will be using the exact same set up in KOTC race this weekend.

Beasho
192 posts
3 Dec 2020 8:34AM
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This is why I am sour on Dual Tracks vs. Tuttle Boxes. At least with a Tuttle Box you can see that the installation goes all the way through to the other deck. With Dual Tracks you never know what is going on.

Board manufacturers should (be required to) show how they installed the dual tracks. I had a board with dual tracks, installed in high density but only 2" thick. Beer cooler foam above the high density plate. Those tracks lasted 5 sessions before going soft and I had to rip them out to then rebuild the board.

The ironic thing was that those dual tracks pictured above ripped out and the whole fuselage exploded. Maybe the boxes ripped out so fast they snapped the fuselage.

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
3 Dec 2020 8:51AM
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Gorgo said..There's supposed to be a big chunk of high density foam, preferably bonded to the deck as well. Maybe a bit of carbon or glass wrapped around it.


It is all high density foam. Marty is pretty experienced making boards. To snap the fuselage there was a few bigger forces at play than bumping into the reef.

tinka
QLD, 51 posts
3 Dec 2020 12:53PM
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RichJam said..
Playing where I shouldn't have been. Only escaped with the board and the front wing.
Totally my fault.
New gear is on its way.




what make board was that?

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
3 Dec 2020 1:23PM
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tinka said..what make board was that?




Custom Delta Designs

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
3 Dec 2020 1:27PM
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Beasho said..
This is why I am sour on Dual Tracks vs. Tuttle Boxes. At least with a Tuttle Box you can see that the installation goes all the way through to the other deck. With Dual Tracks you never know what is going on.

Board manufacturers should (be required to) show how they installed the dual tracks. I had a board with dual tracks, installed in high density but only 2" thick. Beer cooler foam above the high density plate. Those tracks lasted 5 sessions before going soft and I had to rip them out to then rebuild the board.

The ironic thing was that those dual tracks pictured above ripped out and the whole fuselage exploded. Maybe the boxes ripped out so fast they snapped the fuselage.


Tuttle give you no adjustment and require a thick board. Which why they have disappeared from foil boards especially prone. Tracks are pretty reliable and give you adjustment.

kobo
NSW, 492 posts
3 Dec 2020 4:29PM
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Didn't snap the board in half like the guy who drove into his garage ......cant find that post.

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
3 Dec 2020 1:33PM
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Beasho said..The ironic thing was that those dual tracks pictured above ripped out and the whole fuselage exploded. Maybe the boxes ripped out so fast they snapped the fuselage.


Why is it ironic? I would be worried if a Go Foil fuse snapped by being pulled through water.
Pretty sure it was ground onto the reef with a waves force behind it. Richjam can chime in but due to the location we ride it would be unusual for this to be his first contact with the reef

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
3 Dec 2020 1:34PM
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Didn't snap the board in half like the guy who drove into his garage ......cant find that post.


That was pretty funny. And based on specific leverage point

bigmtn
33 posts
3 Dec 2020 3:54PM
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I run a little string that connects my foil (plate) up to my leash string. So if this happens then hopefully the foil is still connected to my leash.

I've had 2 buddies have their foils break off and sink. One was able to dive down and get it. The other was a mile offshore.

Piros
QLD, 6097 posts
3 Dec 2020 7:34PM
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Gorgo said..There's supposed to be a big chunk of high density foam, preferably bonded to the deck as well. Maybe a bit of carbon or glass wrapped around it.





It is all high density foam. Marty is pretty experienced making boards. To snap the fuselage there was a few bigger forces at play than bumping into the reef.




The fact that both boxes peeled out clean without taking the rest of the board with it , shows there was no HD foam or more importantly Divinycell.
Beasho Tuttles are so 2019 boards are too thin too take them now , plus you can't adjust forward and back to suit the new very high aspect foils , or pack the plate . Tracks fitted properly are absolute bomb proof , I'm testament to that constantly driving them into the bottom in shallow water . I often move my track mount mid water on Wing Ding sessions to get less or more lift . Yes I agree T Nuts are a pain in the ass but they allow so much more scope to your foiling .

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
3 Dec 2020 6:43PM
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Piros said..

hilly said..



Gorgo said..There's supposed to be a big chunk of high density foam, preferably bonded to the deck as well. Maybe a bit of carbon or glass wrapped around it.





It is all high density foam. Marty is pretty experienced making boards. To snap the fuselage there was a few bigger forces at play than bumping into the reef.




The fact that both boxes peeled out clean without taking the rest of the board with it , shows there was no HD foam or more importantly Divinycell.

The whole board is high density foam. Talk to Marty Littlewood who has 40 years making windsurfers, kite boards and surfboards. He foils and knows the stresses. Extruded foam, super hard to get, and light glass. First boxes gone from heaps of boards.

Piros
QLD, 6097 posts
3 Dec 2020 8:52PM
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Not picking a fight Hilly we also use extruded foam in our prone boards but still fit Divinycell and bond the boxes to the deck plus heavy carbon layer over . If it was that strong mate it would have torn out a huge hole out of the board , the boxes just broke free , just going on what I'm looking at big fella.

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
3 Dec 2020 8:02PM
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Not picking a fight Hilly we also use extruded foam in our prone boards but still fit Divinycell and bond the boxes to the deck plus heavy carbon layer over . If it was that strong mate it would have torn out a huge hole out of the board , the boxes just broke free , just going on what I'm looking at big fella.

And the snapped fuse? Was not a normal reef tap. That board is not new has been around for a while used by a few people.

Beasho
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4 Dec 2020 10:43PM
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Piros said..





Beasho Tuttles are so 2019 boards are too thin too take them now , plus you can't adjust forward and back to suit the new very high aspect foils , or pack the plate . Tracks fitted properly are absolute bomb proof , I'm testament to that constantly driving them into the bottom in shallow water . I often move my track mount mid water on Wing Ding sessions to get less or more lift . Yes I agree T Nuts are a pain in the ass but they allow so much more scope to your foiling .






Piros I have to take what you say as gospel. Because you have been pushing it harder than anyone since you duck taped a foil to your SUP.

And yes I may be old school with the Tuttle but someone said the other day: Its like Rock scissors paper:
SUP takes Prone. Wing takes SUP. Prone guy with a needle takes Wing. I relate this to the size of waves capable of catching.

When I am foiling, which is all the time, and it gets over head high all the prone guys disappear. Prone is good to 6 feet. I have been SUP foiling to 15 and 18 foot faces. Mavericks California and most recently on the North Shore of Hawaii. I called Sam Pae live on Oahu and he said Sunset "Too Big to Foil." NO ONE WAS FOILING IN 8 to 14 foot faces under their own power. I was once again 100% alone doing this. I caught a wave at Phantoms that was ~ 18 feet. This was a great 'soft' takeoff wave on a SUP foil. When it gets this big people then jump to tow in. I also got crushed by 4 successive waves at Phantoms. Most unpleasant. Getting dragged backwards in warm jacuzzi water gasping but my Tuttle installation held up. After 7 box failures I would only trust a Tuttle. I am still just a novice Winger so I haven't yet appreciated the need for moving the wing. I will get there. But no one is catching bigger waves under their own paddle power on a foil. Thick, 7' 4" SUP with a Tuttle and I can paddle like its a 11' gun.

Yesterday was 8 feet @ 20 seconds. I paddled out to the inside of Mavericks. The only guys out were on big wave guns and 12 foot SUP's. #TooBigTooFoil they said! Nope. Today is 10 feet @ 17 seconds. Back to foiling.

Here was a quick clip from Hawaii 2020. Same vintage 2019 SUP with Tuttle:

RichJam
WA, 56 posts
5 Dec 2020 10:36AM
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Wow go to work for a few days and this happens. What started as a request for a Go Foil mast replacement has gone into a let's all claim to be the best board makers in our armchairs and slag others off.

I was on a wave winging, I ****ed up where I was and hit the reef. When I say I hit the reef the front wing went under a shelf at over 20kts the wave then grabbed me and continued the punishment. Given the force of the impact and subsequent roll with the wave I was happy to not lose the wing or board via a leash snapping. Absolutely no board nor foil setup would have survived this, boxes pull out of boards all the time and people don't whinge this much.

The fact the board is being reshaped and reboxed at present and will continue to be my wing board speaks for the overall construction of this.

I stand behind Marty and his awesome creations, I use his boards exclusively and will continue to do so. His attention to detail, glassing and finish are some of the best out there.

I remember when I lived in Sydney the number of boats that ran aground on Long Reef headland at low tide was always amazing. A particular incident was a scarab doing over 30kts, left the engines on one side and the boat nearly made it to the other side of the headland, I'm sure the boat builder was not to blame in this happening nor is a board maker to blame for me collecting the reef.

For the record Delta foil board and wing boards are shaped using very high and hard grade XPS foam. The boxes are correctly installed into this style foam for an extremely strong bond and hold. This is not EPS foam.

I am not sponsored in any way by anyone. I buy local and support local.

Rich

steamroller
39 posts
5 Dec 2020 11:58AM
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at least you got your wing back!...
i done that too...good thin
g GoFoils float!

hilly
WA, 5812 posts
5 Dec 2020 7:06PM
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RichJam said..
Wow go to work for a few days and this happens. What started as a request for a Go Foil mast replacement has gone into a let's all claim to be the best board makers in our armchairs and slag others off.

I was on a wave winging, I ****ed up where I was and hit the reef. When I say I hit the reef the front wing went under a shelf at over 20kts the wave then grabbed me and continued the punishment. Given the force of the impact and subsequent roll with the wave I was happy to not lose the wing or board via a leash snapping. Absolutely no board nor foil setup would have survived this, boxes pull out of boards all the time and people don't whinge this much.

The fact the board is being reshaped and reboxed at present and will continue to be my wing board speaks for the overall construction of this.

I stand behind Marty and his awesome creations, I use his boards exclusively and will continue to do so. His attention to detail, glassing and finish are some of the best out there.

I remember when I lived in Sydney the number of boats that ran aground on Long Reef headland at low tide was always amazing. A particular incident was a scarab doing over 30kts, left the engines on one side and the boat nearly made it to the other side of the headland, I'm sure the boat builder was not to blame in this happening nor is a board maker to blame for me collecting the reef.

For the record Delta foil board and wing boards are shaped using very high and hard grade XPS foam. The boxes are correctly installed into this style foam for an extremely strong bond and hold. This is not EPS foam.

I am not sponsored in any way by anyone. I buy local and support local.

Rich


Well said Rich that is what I tried to say

Beasho
192 posts
5 Dec 2020 10:08PM
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steamroller said..
at least you got your wing back!...
i done that too...good thin
g GoFoils float!



Steamroller. Now we are going to jump on you. That looks like a clean separation of 2 tiny foil boxes.

Ha!

Beasho
192 posts
5 Dec 2020 10:31PM
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This is Haley yesterday at Mavericks. He was the first to regularly surf Mavericks on a SUP. (Lyle Carlson was actually the first person.) When he started in ~ 2006 he said he would break 5 boards a year for 2 years running. FIVE! No one else was paddling into waves as big as Monster Mavericks at that time. People were all towing in. He would be out by himself with tow teams when it was 40, and 50 feet. Alone on his 12 foot SUP. This gets expensive but its the price of being first.

I have had 2 professionally installed Tuttle Boxes fail, and I professionally installed set of tracks. One Tuttle failed in 7 sessions the tracks failed in 5 sessions. I have concluded that these need to be considered modular and replaced quickly. I now do my own rebuilds and USE GORILLA GLUE ONLY for internal box installation (Epoxy no good, runs and doesn't stick to divinycell or fill voids). My Blue Planet Board has the only box that hasn't ever failed.

This is great drone footage. I wonder how many drones get lost? Because when pushing the limits these boards break and cost >> $1,000 USD. Now drones are cheaper than the boards. The drone operators should step it up and start risking their stuff like the surfers are.

.be

RichJam
WA, 56 posts
6 Dec 2020 7:14AM
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Thanks for all the replies and offers for a second hand Go Foil mast...

This was not a post for people to comment on fault of the equipment used. I was just looking for some help to find some new stuff on my apprentice chippy wage!
I love all my stuff. That's why I'm getting it the same all again.

I'll just try to not go so fast an avoid certain sections of the bay.



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