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Takuma Kujira

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Created by Filow > 9 months ago, 16 Sep 2020
hilly
TAS, 7195 posts
19 Aug 2021 12:56PM
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randomfoiler said..

Alysum said..
With the lack of protective bags, how is everyone protecting their wings ? Keen to see what everyone is doing Not so keen to disassemble everytime and put the wings in the suitcase.



I cut tennis balls to protect the ends. Now I can put it on the floor and won't hurt myself if I bump into the (crazy sharp) ends. Also works well for transport. I take the mast off though as it won't fit into the car fully assembled.





Do the balls effect the glide?

mcrt
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19 Aug 2021 1:48PM
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martyman said..
Has anyone here chopped or heard of anyone chopping the kujira stab? I was basically Forced to by both stab and front wing if you want to buy a (different) wingset. So stupid.




I have chopped one of mine,taken about 1 fingerwidth out of each side.The first "notch".
Some superglue to seal the new tips.

Only tried it on the wing so far,no big difference ,i think it turns better ,looser,feels a bit faster.No major changes in control at all.

Anyway,nothing bad happens if you chop those wingtips off and just for safety i think it is worth it.

Those tips are criminal.









randomfoiler
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19 Aug 2021 7:11PM
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hilly said..

randomfoiler said..


Alysum said..
With the lack of protective bags, how is everyone protecting their wings ? Keen to see what everyone is doing Not so keen to disassemble everytime and put the wings in the suitcase.




I cut tennis balls to protect the ends. Now I can put it on the floor and won't hurt myself if I bump into the (crazy sharp) ends. Also works well for transport. I take the mast off though as it won't fit into the car fully assembled.





Do the balls effect the glide?


feels a bit more bouncy :)

randomfoiler
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22 Aug 2021 9:00PM
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hilly said..

randomfoiler said..


Alysum said..
With the lack of protective bags, how is everyone protecting their wings ? Keen to see what everyone is doing Not so keen to disassemble everytime and put the wings in the suitcase.




I cut tennis balls to protect the ends. Now I can put it on the floor and won't hurt myself if I bump into the (crazy sharp) ends. Also works well for transport. I take the mast off though as it won't fit into the car fully assembled.





Do the balls effect the glide?


This actually works even better for car transport as I can put it upright.... and on low wind days I can use it as a hovercraft :)




mcrt
611 posts
23 Aug 2021 3:42PM
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And another chop on the Kujira Stab.
31cm overall (bottom one),about the same as what The Prog Project guy did.
Just tried it on the Wingy,turns better,faster,feels a lot more intuitive in sharp turns with lots of zip on the turn exit.
No control problems and pumps fine.I will keep this one ,maybe play with shims later on.
Foam showed,i just superglued,sanded and superglued again.




eppo
WA, 9372 posts
23 Aug 2021 9:12PM
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randomfoiler said..

hilly said..


randomfoiler said..



Alysum said..
With the lack of protective bags, how is everyone protecting their wings ? Keen to see what everyone is doing Not so keen to disassemble everytime and put the wings in the suitcase.





I cut tennis balls to protect the ends. Now I can put it on the floor and won't hurt myself if I bump into the (crazy sharp) ends. Also works well for transport. I take the mast off though as it won't fit into the car fully assembled.





Do the balls effect the glide?



This actually works even better for car transport as I can put it upright.... and on low wind days I can use it as a hovercraft :)





Wont covers do that?

randomfoiler
75 posts
24 Aug 2021 12:53AM
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eppo said..

randomfoiler said..


hilly said..



randomfoiler said..




Alysum said..
With the lack of protective bags, how is everyone protecting their wings ? Keen to see what everyone is doing Not so keen to disassemble everytime and put the wings in the suitcase.






I cut tennis balls to protect the ends. Now I can put it on the floor and won't hurt myself if I bump into the (crazy sharp) ends. Also works well for transport. I take the mast off though as it won't fit into the car fully assembled.






Do the balls effect the glide?




This actually works even better for car transport as I can put it upright.... and on low wind days I can use it as a hovercraft :)





Wont covers do that?


Yes, they will once you can finally buy them.

eppo
WA, 9372 posts
24 Aug 2021 12:14PM
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giggle.. I know just being a prick

Alysum
NSW, 1024 posts
25 Aug 2021 3:54PM
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Any ETA on the new Kujira 1095 ?

TooMuchEpoxy
269 posts
5 Sep 2021 12:13AM
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God i love the 1210 but every other part of this setup is absolute garbage. I'm certain Takuma lucked into this design because from what i can tell from the rest of it they're absolute idiots. Please for the love of god can a competent company rip off tubercles so we can have this performance in a better package. I'm looking at you Go Foil, axis, armstrong...

I have the new AL setup where they built they angle into the mast fuse connection so you dont have to shim the plate it but they built too much into it (its like 4 deg). So with the new setup you have to shim it the other way.

Other things that suck.

The goddamn tail doesnt bolt on straight
Every single connection is loose and needs to be epoxy filled
The AL mast is totally inappropriate (i switched to axis with an adapter)
The tennon on the wing connection is 100% too small and is going to be bent sooner or later.

I absolutely love the front wing though.

martyman
WA, 314 posts
6 Sep 2021 12:17PM
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TooMuchEpoxy said..
God i love the 1210 but every other part of this setup is absolute garbage. I'm certain Takuma lucked into this design because from what i can tell from the rest of it they're absolute idiots. Please for the love of god can a competent company rip off tubercles so we can have this performance in a better package. I'm looking at you Go Foil, axis, armstrong...

I have the new AL setup where they built they angle into the mast fuse connection so you dont have to shim the plate it but they built too much into it (its like 4 deg). So with the new setup you have to shim it the other way.

Other things that suck.

The goddamn tail doesnt bolt on straight
Every single connection is loose and needs to be epoxy filled
The AL mast is totally inappropriate (i switched to axis with an adapter)
The tennon on the wing connection is 100% too small and is going to be bent sooner or later.

I absolutely love the front wing though.


hahah I so agree. I saw that guys were custom fitting armstrong mast/fuselages to the front wing. I'm half looking f a used 75cm...
Also my life is incomolete without this axis adaptor you speak of. I know your buddy fabbed it up from IG-can you throw up some specs and pics?

Alysum
NSW, 1024 posts
6 Sep 2021 11:01PM
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This is worrying the sub par quality of the set-up.
Mate in France broke 3 M6 screws on his 1 month old takuma foil.

eppo
WA, 9372 posts
7 Sep 2021 7:07AM
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Yeh im with asylum on this. I am still very interested in trying them, seen people shred on them, but until the entire package is sound, im personally staying away. Shame, that front wing by all accounts is awesome.

toppleover
QLD, 2033 posts
7 Sep 2021 9:27AM
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I'm still very happy with my full carbon setup but have had to do the gofoil fix on my 1210 as the wing/fuse connection was getting loose.

mcrt
611 posts
7 Sep 2021 1:40PM
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More than a year on the full carbon mast with LOL and Kujira.
Mostly wingfoiling with some surf/sup foiling.
Never broken a screw but as soon as a i noticed any wing looseness i searched for a fix and found the GoFoil epoxy potting vid.
No problems at all afterwards.

To be fair Armstrong and GoFoil can also get loose and may need the Epoxy treatment,but it is pretty simple to do.We are dealing with carbon to carbon mating surfaces and they wear down.

Axis and North connections offer a bigger contact joint but it impacts the upper surface shape at the root of the wing.This is a critical area an it limits the designer in making new foil shapes for that interface.

Starboard had an interesting "expanding" fuse system but i don't know how it is working out in use.

TooMuchEpoxy
269 posts
7 Sep 2021 7:28PM
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gofoil is, hands down, the best of the connections. the square taper is the most resistant shape to torsion, its the simplest out of the bunch(so most likely to be produced accurately) and having the slot on the wing screw means you are guranteed to be able to seat the compression joint (the hammer is the best part!) and still get the screw in.

That last one is the most important part, i've seen some armstrong setups fail to have a good mechanical connection where the screw connects, its kind of luck of the draw there.



I just wish that being on the gofoil program didn't mean being a year behind in wing design.

When i put that takuma fuse in that wing and realized he damn that didn't even have a chance of fully seating i almost packed it up and mailed it back right there.

eppo
WA, 9372 posts
7 Sep 2021 9:16PM
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Yeh right. I must have seen 15 odd armstrong setups (probably closer to 20 but hey) and i've never seen this screw problem. But there is some validity in the square taper connection. The carbon konrad we have uses this.

mcrt
611 posts
8 Sep 2021 12:33AM
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eppo said..
Yeh right. I must have seen 15 odd armstrong setups (probably closer to 20 but hey) and i've never seen this screw problem. But there is some validity in the square taper connection. The carbon konrad we have uses this.


Armstrong is like the Apple of foils,creates this loyalty :)

I saw more cases like this when i was in the Armstrong foil riders group in facebook.
It is a better connection than Takuma with more contact flat surfaces but pretty similar design concept.

I would also prefer a square Gofoil system,rubber mallet an all,these propietary poligonal tapered BS interfaces suck for modding,frankesteinizing and general screwing around with gear.

BTW we should all email Takuma and tell them to please stop selling foils with huge padded cases instead of more practical padded velcro covers.
And to make front wings available without stab, we might as well be ignored twice while we are at it.










TooMuchEpoxy
269 posts
8 Sep 2021 3:31AM
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Yeah, people get this stockholm syndrome with whatever foil they by where they are so invested, they believe in their equiment as a matter of faith and can't even beliece that its not amazing because that would mean they wasted their investment.

In 5 years of foiling, buying top of the line carbon, hacking together alumium, building foils and boards from scratch, there's only a few facts i'm really certain of.

All foils are garbage. Nothing is special.

The 1210 front wing came the closest to breaking that, and the rest of the setup qickly pulled it back to reality.

hilly
TAS, 7195 posts
8 Sep 2021 8:22AM
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I love the example 1 cm of movement at the tips with no screws in. Seems a major issue. I will throw my Armstrong in the bin it is garbage.
I rode by mine with the screws not done up once. One screw actually fell out after a few hours. As many people have said flex at the foil end is not as bad as flex at the base. Every aluminium foil I have used got loose at the base where the bolts held the base plate to the mast. That feels awful.

To bag all brands as garbage is a big call. You would like Lift as you need a mallet for them as well. Oh but I heard one cracked once they must be garbage too I saw a GoFoil explode when it hit the reef at speed. Does that make them bad? Armi foils are really solid at least.
As I said before I have the A+ mast now with lots more bolts and weight. No movement. It has not transformed my foiling abilities. I miss the lightness and simplicity of the original. The lighter your gear the better it feels for sure.

hilly
TAS, 7195 posts
8 Sep 2021 9:05AM
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TooMuchEpoxy said..
Yeah, people get this stockholm syndrome with whatever foil they by where they are so invested, they believe in their equiment as a matter of faith and can't even beliece that its not amazing because that would mean they wasted their investment.

In 5 years of foiling, buying top of the line carbon, hacking together alumium, building foils and boards from scratch, there's only a few facts i'm really certain of.

All foils are garbage. Nothing is special.

The 1210 front wing came the closest to breaking that, and the rest of the setup qickly pulled it back to reality.



You have your terms mixed up.
Stockholm syndrome is an emotional response. It happens to some abuse and hostage victims when they have positive feelings toward an abuser or captor.

What you want is advocate:
Some common synonyms of support are advocate, back, champion, and uphold. While all these words mean "to favor actively one that meets opposition,"

What you and mcrt (and LeeD when he is here) are engaging in is:

The phrase 'tall poppy syndrome' is ubiquitous in Australian language. ... When applied to people, the term 'tall poppy syndrome' refers to the practice of "cutting down" those experiencing success, by speaking badly of them, sabotaging their work, or implying that there is a reason other than merit for their success.

Sorry just the teacher in me

eppo
WA, 9372 posts
8 Sep 2021 8:32AM
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Well considering the post above about brand loyalty came after mine i should address this.
i am only talking about what ive physically seen not stuff on social media. In the flesh watching guys setup whilst i do then ride together.
that doesnt mean their may be issues - its just what ive seen. Including my sons new armie gear that we put together last friday.


ive seen guys shred on all the brands mentioned and ive used four myself. They are not garbage. All have their pros and cons but takuma to falls short in a few important areas at the moment that wouldn't allow me to lay down some coin.


thaf being said that front wing must be special because ive seen a few lads dominate on them.

jondrums
154 posts
8 Sep 2021 9:21AM
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I agree the GoFoil system for the front wing is great. Their tail concept is trash and needs to go to two bolts directly the fuse.
What about Axis wing attachment - that seems to work really well, no? I haven't personally used it.

hilly
TAS, 7195 posts
8 Sep 2021 11:27AM
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jondrums said..
I agree the GoFoil system for the front wing is great. Their tail concept is trash and needs to go to two bolts directly the fuse.
What about Axis wing attachment - that seems to work really well, no? I haven't personally used it.


Axis wing attachment is good. The mast to base not so good. The 2 bolts through the base into the mast kept coming loose so I had to take the foil off tighten them and then go out again. Foils are a bit fragile when you hit rocks

Hwy1North
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9 Sep 2021 11:30AM
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The phrase 'tall poppy syndrome' is ubiquitous in Australian language. ... When applied to people, the term 'tall poppy syndrome' refers to the practice of "cutting down" those experiencing success, by speaking badly of them, sabotaging their work, or implying that there is a reason other than merit for their success.



"TPS" - learned something new!
I lurk on this forum now and then when looking for advise on new gear... currently coveting the made in Aus Unifoils that are all hype at this point. Hoping the quality and performance will justify the price. I've got a year and a half on the Takuma carbon 1300 and 1600. The 1600 has always been a bit sloppy, but not so bad as to break screws. Just waxed the connection and that worked ok. The 1300 is tight. The tail wing cracked at the screws, easy repair. But what just pisses me off is that the 1600 has a leak on the trailing edge that I just can't fix. As soon as the sun hits it, water oozes out. Its been that way for a year and half since new, so it's not a worry anymore for a delam, etc. I should just get the Kujira, but all these annoyances are enough to want something new. I tried a few Axxis wings on the aluminum mast and didn't like the stiff feel nor the wings I tried. I really think the tapered mast is the way to go, so maybe an Axxis in Carbon, but damn they are heavy compared to Takuma. Go foil has the wide mast at the fuse and in general seems a bit wonky. Armstrong is a bit fiddly with all the screws and such...
-Hell, I buy a new "smartphone" twice a year cause they are so freaking fragile, I've run my foil into who knows what so many times I can't keep track and with very little damage. Maybe Takuma isn't as "totally garbage" as the anoyances would suggest. Lots of companies developing insanely fun gear for a small market share... guess we should all cut them a break and hope they improve the next generation!

JonnieTyler
20 posts
11 Sep 2021 2:01AM
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I've been foiling for just over 9 months. I started off with the LOL 1300 in Nov 2020 with the full carbon mast. I switched to the Takuma Kujira 980 in Feb 2021. I got the Kujira 1210 in late May 2021. Since then, I've been switching off between the 980 and 1210. Since I started, I've been averaging 5 or 6 session per week.

Possibly due to my weight at 140 lb (63.5 kg), I have NOT had any problems with the front wings getting loose. With the 980, it fits assembled in my hatchback, so I never disassemble the wing unless I switch to 1210.

The stock rear wing had a tendency to get loose, until I switched to a slightly shorter screw. Now, when I use the stock rear wing, it never gets loose. However, I mainly use the KDMaui 13.5" tail wing (which also never gets loose).

I've hit cobblestones on multiple occasions with both front and rear wings. All my wings are very scratched up, but still watertight. I've been very pleased with how the durable the Takuma wings have been.

I bought the 1210 because after 6 months of foiling, I had only gotten one double dip with the 980. I wanted to see if the 1210 could up my pump game.

I wear a Garmin Fenix watch to track my waves. With the 980, after kicking out, my longest pump out the back was 69 yards. With the 1210 my longest pump out the back was 80 yards.

At first, I was highly disappointed that I didn't immediately double my pump distance. But then, I was noticing with the 1210, my "long" pumps were happening more consistently and if I kicked out without much speed, it was much easier to pump up to speed. Double dips happen a lot more often on the 1210.

At 9 months of foiling, I've been able to increase my max pump out the back from 80 to 120 yd with the 1210.I actually prefer to ride the 1210 over the 980 because of the longer pumps.

I switch to the 980 when the surf gets CH+ or a lot of back wash. Takeoffs are much easier with the 980 once it gets CH. I also just seem to fall less with the 980 if its choppy/backwashy.

With regards to turning, the two wings feel about the same to me. However, I'm only doing big cutbacks. Once I start doing wraparound cutbacks, I'll probably notice a bigger difference.

I ride both wings with 2x Takuma baseplate shims, all the way back in the tracks on a JS 4'8" (31L). Here's a Surfline rewind with me on the 980. I hit the sandbar at the end.

Camarillo
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11 Sep 2021 2:15PM
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hilly said..

Axis wing attachment is good. The mast to base not so good. The 2 bolts through the base into the mast kept coming loose so I had to take the foil off tighten them and then go out again.


This never happens to me, but I have a big stainless Wera Torx40 tool to really tighten the two bolts....

mcrt
611 posts
11 Sep 2021 8:26PM
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hilly said..

What you and mcrt (and LeeD when he is here) are engaging in is:

The phrase 'tall poppy syndrome' is ubiquitous in Australian language. ... When applied to people, the term 'tall poppy syndrome' refers to the practice of "cutting down" those experiencing success, by speaking badly of them, sabotaging their work, or implying that there is a reason other than merit for their success.

Sorry just the teacher in me


So i suffer TPS then?.Great,sounds cool :)
And who i am cutting down,sabotaging or implying that there is a reason other than merit for their success ?

I post my opinions on gear that i buy and ride,good and/or bad.I get no freebies,discounts or have any dealings with the industry.

Forums are one of the few places where you can get objective info so i think this is a good thing to do.

If my thoughts about Armstrong,Takuma or any other brand are not to your liking then please ignore them.
It's just gear not your newborn child :).



Hwy1North
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12 Sep 2021 1:07AM
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JonnieTyler said..
late May 2021. Since then, I've been switching off between the 980 and 1210. Since I started, I've been averaging 5 or 6 session per week.

I hit the sandbar at the end.


5-6 sessions per week. Jealous!
Hit the sand bar at the end... I make the same splash when my heart gives out at about 30 ft. of flat water pumping.

martyman
WA, 314 posts
12 Sep 2021 1:04PM
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Ya know, I'm with Toomuchepoxy-the kujira front wing is truly standout. The rest of the setup is ****-garbage. The masts leak, the fuselage is quite bendable(I've bent one already) the tubercules chip easily, you are forced to buy duplicate stabilizers when you get a different wing, the wing package/box is truly garbage-an embarasssment really
Why am I still riding them-because have the 1210 and 1440(I'm invested), and the front wings are really,really good.
I'll still take my Axis 880 for DTL wallriding anyday though.



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